If I had to go to a high end club and do bottle/VIP service to access hot girls, then this is nothing special as I can do this back home, and if this is the case, then it doesn't deserve the hype since it's like this all or most tier 1 and tier 2 cities.The hype I got - and it was not just from this forum but from dudes I met and hung out in person - was that Guad had hotties everywhere.And I'm going on record and putting it out there that this is NOT the case here.However, to be clear, my place is in Guada centro, which is a bit aways from Zapopan which is considered another town. If you have been to all those places and did not like what you saw, then your experience was drastically different than mine. One of my good buddies is a Mexican dude from Jalisco. He says many of the women in Jalisco are hot and light-skinned. If you have been to all those places and did not like what you saw, then your experience was drastically different than mine.
I've pounded the pavement every day, some days for hours on end. I'm more into the upper end fresa or euro latin look. As the OP, I was formerly under the impression that there was a substantial enough white population "fresas" as they call them in Mexico. They do exist, but its like going to the philippines for chinese looking women.Like a "there's something in the water" phenomenon.Similar to the hype (real or not) on Montreal, Ukraine and Moscow.If you want to pull quality your best bet is centro commercial.I think I posted about it in my thread (had to take down my attachments for privacy reasons).
I've checked out/people watched public 'vortex' places with a lot of pedestrian traffic and places with just a lot of people such as the huge public marketplace. I've seen quite a few and even they were also mostly ugly. I have started to run strip club game here in the States. THat's why it's always important to scope dating sites to get an idea of what the general look of the girls is like before going on a trip somewhere.